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Thread Contributor: TheGreatCornholioRed Palm Oil - Astaxanthin v2.0?
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Red Palm Oil is another skin protector. After taking at least 1g/1ml/day for 12 weeks it has a natural SPF 3 effect.

Red Palm Oil  works thanks to fat-soluble tocotrienols, tocopherols, carotenoids, and tocochromanols.

I've had great results from Astaxanthin. Middling results from Beta Carotine. And bad results from Lycopene. I am now going to try this one. Carotenoids are often pretty damn good for the skin.

If you want to test it, either get capsules or buy a jar. The bottles of oil plug and it's a PIA to deal with.
https://www.amazon.com/Nutiva-Certified-...00JJ1E83G/

Apparently stacking it with Seasame Seed oil helps boost its effectiveness.
Seasame seed oil at 100mg is the studied amount. It contains a fat-soluble lignan known as sesamin, which increases the body's retention of the vitamin E family, including tocotrienols and tocopherols.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18490840
Quote:Dietary tocotrienol reduces UVB-induced skin damage and sesamin enhances tocotrienol effects in hairless mice

Sesamin elevated tocotrienol contents in the skin. In spite of the high alpha-tocopherol contents, the effects of alpha-tocopherol on sunburn and incidence of tumor were slight. T-mix fed groups reduced the extent of sunburn and incidence of tumor, and further reduction of sunburn and incidence of tumor were observed in the T-mix with sesamin group. These results suggest that dietary tocotrienols protect the skin more strongly than alpha-tocopherol against damage induced by UVB and sesamin enhances tocotrienol effects.

Not entirely about this exact supplement but
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12514275
Quote:The intake of either beta-carotene or a mixture of carotenoids similarly increased total carotenoids in skin from wk 0 to wk 12. No changes in total carotenoids in skin occurred in the control group. The intensity of erythema 24 h after irradiation was diminished in both groups that received carotenoids and was significantly lower than baseline after 12 wk of supplementation. Long-term supplementation for 12 wk with 24 mg/d of a carotenoid mix supplying similar amounts of beta-carotene, lutein and lycopene ameliorates UV-induced erythema in humans; the effect is comparable to daily treatment with 24 mg of beta-carotene alone.
So Lycopene doesn't really do much when you're already taking BC. Which matches my experience. I never felt Lutein would provide skin benefits.

So what does all of this mean? Well, because Red Palm Oil functions differently than BC or Astax, it has the potential to stack. But as we've seen with Lycopene, it may simply be redundant.

I'm going to buy this and test it out, since I've had great results with Astaxanthin. I think it's worth trying at a minimum. And it's pretty cheap at $16 for a 3 year supply.

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Or you could find something that doesn't completely wreck the environment


Wew never thought I'd post something like that here

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(05-13-2018, 05:00 PM)Satan Wrote: Or you could find something that doesn't completely wreck the environment


Wew never thought I'd post something like that here
Palm oil is just about the most efficient crop for oil volume per acre. So if you stopped planting palm oil fields, you'd need to use more land to grow olives, peanuts, canola, or even soy beans. It's also about the only natural oil that can replace transfat for mass produced foods with long self life. Short shelf life means even more food production due to higher waste. It's actually solid and stable at room temperature. No other natural oil I'm aware of fits this bill. 

Not using palm oil would mean using alternatives that are less efficient.

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Great stuff, thanks!


So 1ml red palm oil per day is the dose from the study, i guess also the recommended dose

I am taking 6mg Astaxanthin, 15mg beta carotene and lycopene (per tomatoe paste) daily.
So far no real success i think, but i am just stubborn thinking it has to help / it's good for health anyway, so i continou taking it - and try adding red palm oil.  
Pics https://imgur.com/a/Z57qBAK

With 30mg beta carotene daily i got weird orange palms (beta carotenosis), so i scaled it back to 15mg

Perhaps i should try 12mg asta instead of 6mg daily, thinking i would like more reds in my skin

Ok, this doc says you should only take 4mg - cause this totally gives the maximum uptake:

More than 20mg asta per day also leads to beta carotenosis
(But: this doc sells a pill with added stuff that leads to 3x higher absorption of Asta - but well, i was thinking, ok, then you could just take 3x as much asta to get the same effect, so perhaps more is better (and when he recommends 4mg you should take 12mg instead)

http://www.sweetadditions.net/health/hea...staxanthin
asta overdose side effects: 

  • Aplastic anemia

  • Eye damage because of crystal formation

  • Decreased libido

  • Reduction in blood pressure,

  • Enhanced skin pigmentation

  • Gynecomastia (abnormal enlargement of breasts in men)

  • Inhibited 5-alpha-reductase

  • Increased hair growth

  • Lowered eosinophil counts

  • Parathyroid intervention

  • Lowered serum calcium

  • Inhibited conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone
Perhaps i should just take 12mg asta for a while and see if i get beta carotenosis from it. 
I am just not sure if 'eye damage because of crystal formation' could occur even before that. 
Gynecomastia bitch tits?!


They gave these infertile men 16mg asta per day and made them more fertile
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16110353
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(05-14-2018, 10:32 AM)Change Wrote: Perhaps i should just take 12mg asta for a while and see if i get beta carotenosis from it. 
I started off on 4mg of Astaxanthin, because taking 8mg made no difference. After about a year, taking more did have a bigger impact. I can't explain this, and I have no idea if it's normal or not. I now take a 10mg pill from Now Foods because it's cheaper than taking two 4mg pills.

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Did you try Zeaxanthin? Was thinking about buying it, but then read it whitens the skin (?) - made a post about it: 
http://looksmax.net/Thread-Zeaxanthin-whitens-the-skin

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btw which sunscreen do you use guys? mainly for face ofc
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(05-15-2018, 07:02 PM)incellord1 Wrote: btw which sunscreen do you use guys? mainly for face ofc
I use Biore face milk
https://www.amazon.com/Biore-Sarasara-Br...B07CVH7YVP

It blocks 95% of UVA rays, which is the best of any cheap sunblock. The best American one only blocks 80%. UVA does far more damage than UVB.

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